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Yasmeen Tahir
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Non-notable actor, possible mercenary work. Most of the sources are mere mentions/name-drops of her, being focused on other members of her family instead. Urdu!VoA is a prose-style interview with her based on the automated translation, two sources are about being given a non-exclusive reward. Draftification attempts led to a move-war; see WP:AN/I#User:BeauSuzanne. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: has received the Sitara-i-Imtiaz, which can be considered a "well-known and significant award or honour", so that she meets WP:ANYBIO imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- And as for the rest of the sourcing? Being notable is not enough here; BLP applies as well. A look for sources isn't turning up much for me (strings: , ). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Being notable is enough for being notable imv.:D-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not where biographies of living persons are concerned. Literally everything in the article that could reasonably be challenged must be sourced, and the award is the only thing that can be sourced based on what I'm seeing. An "article" that just states she won an award without any further context isn't really much of a stub, let alone an article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- But that is not the case, is it? Again, I'm leaving it at that and will stand by my Keep. Thank you for your time, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not where biographies of living persons are concerned. Literally everything in the article that could reasonably be challenged must be sourced, and the award is the only thing that can be sourced based on what I'm seeing. An "article" that just states she won an award without any further context isn't really much of a stub, let alone an article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Being notable is enough for being notable imv.:D-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- And as for the rest of the sourcing? Being notable is not enough here; BLP applies as well. A look for sources isn't turning up much for me (strings: , ). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: For the record - I draftified the BLP because it was in poor shape, filled with WP:OR using WP:FICTREF. However, Mushy Yank reverted my draftification without addressing the WP:OR issues, which escalated into a move war (not initiated by me though). This BLP appears to be a case of WP:UPE because it was created by an editor BeauSuzanne, who has a notoriously bad history of creating BLPs on non-notable subjects using WP:FICTREF. Anyone arguing for keeping this based on WP:ANYBIO # 1 must understand that there is no consensus that ANYBIO #1 supersedes GNG.. Clearly, the subject fails to meet the requirements of GNG and WP:NBIO as well. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Stating that I had not tried to honestly address the issues mentioned in the tags then on the page (and judged that they could reasonably appear addressed; even if they were perhaps not completely addressed) is at best exaggerated (see my edit, edit summary, the tags themselves (different of those currently on the page), the state of the page then and page history) and stating that there was a move-war is clearly misleading (see article TP, where this was explained. Thank you. I will not make any further comments here, the same way I did not reply any further on that page and stopped editing it, for various reasons, including lack of time. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Final comment, though: interesting diff when one knows this is 1) a standard section of ALL articles where they can bee added 2) sourced 3) a major claim at notability :D...-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mushy Yank,
...the same way I did not reply any further on that page and stopped editing it,
But your continued participation here, here and even here contradict your earlier statement of disengagement. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)- No, they don't, not that it matters. Read me with more attention; but thank you for this comment all the same. I'm gone, though, this time, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mushy Yank,
- Keep. She is a well know a radio artist. The government of pakistan awarded her and she also worked in a few dramas which i added but you removed it.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC))
- BeauSuzanne, Your argument that she received an award (WP:ANYBIO# 1) has already been countered above and your claim that
she also worked in a few dramas
doesn't really justifies a standalone BLP and is not convincing either, especially if the roles were not major. And as you yourself mentioned, that she's aradio artist
, which also makes it difficult for her to meet the NACTOR. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)- Aren't radio artist notable she has been workin since 1958 which is in the source too and has worked more than three decades.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC))
- @BeauSuzanne: Longevity does not matter for notability. What matters is the available sources discussing the subject, and frankly outside of the award there aren't any. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Aren't radio artist notable she has been workin since 1958 which is in the source too and has worked more than three decades.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC))
- BeauSuzanne, Your argument that she received an award (WP:ANYBIO# 1) has already been countered above and your claim that
Audrey A. McNiffedit
- Audrey A. McNiff (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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this person does not seem very notable, just a retired executive. one of the only recent pieces of information that comes up when I search her name is this article: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/07/abortion-rights-supporters-wont-get-their-amendment-passed-without-republican-women-like-audrey-mcniff-00165157 CGP05 (talk) 15:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I find no coverage of this person, what's used in the article is trivial coverage. There seems to be nothing online about her. Oaktree b (talk) 15:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Jana Labáthováedit
- Jana Labáthová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There are some mentions on online newspapers of her being paired with Nada Daabousová in the synchronized swimming competition at the 2016 Summer Olympics, but I could not find any in-depth coverage of Labáthová herself that would pass WP:GNG. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. No news about Labáthová have been reported since then either. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 12:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Princesa Leaedit
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Fails WP:NACTOR due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with some significant roles in notable films (also see Sp WP). And WP:GNG, https://heraldodemexico.com.mx/espectaculos/2021/10/18/princesa-lea-que-fue-de-la-famosa-vedette-canadiense-del-cine-de-ficheras-345367.html https://www.debate.com.mx/show/Conoce-a-las-tres-actrices-del-Cine-de-Oro-que-eran-la-Karely-Ruiz-de-su-epoca-20230117-0311.html https://www.gq.com.mx/entretenimiento/articulo/vedettes-iconicas-cine-mexicano ; https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/arteseideas/Vedettes-femeninas-y-empoderadas-20161206-0102.html among other things. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Slightly Notable, article needs more citations and improvements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feellingfly (talk • contribs) 11:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
List of women bishops in the Anglican Church of Australiaedit
- List of women bishops in the Anglican Church of Australia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST with no evidence that reliable, secondary, independent sources discuss Australian female Anglican bishops as a group versus discussing them individually. (The sources listed under "Further Reading" describe the experiences or cover women clergy more generally or all women Anglican clergy in Australia, not just bishops. The one exception, a book by Muriel Porter is not an independent source, as Porter is an elected member of the Anglican Church's governing synod and described in her Wikipedia article as an "advocate" who is "active in campaigning" for women's ordination in the church.) Meanwhile, the page fails WP:NOPAGE as a WP:CONTENTFORK of List of female Anglican bishops. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I disagree with most of the points you make as reasons for deletion. For example I don't think there needs to be one source dedicated to just female Anglican bishops in Australia, but a source can cover bishops in the Anglican communion generally as well as other clergy. The only point I can see as valid is that the list could be seen as a content fork of List of female Anglican bishops. I admit I only saw that other list after I created this one. In the case of it needing to be merged I think it would have been better to message me or put something on the Talk page about merging rather than marking it for deletion. I have marked this comment as Keep for now only to see if other editors want to comment. However if there is enough support to merge List of women bishops with List of female Anglican bishops... I am happy to do that and I will then continue to update the List of female bishops with the Australian ones because that is one of my areas of focus on wikipedia.LPascal (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Extra comment: In case I am asked to find more sources on women bishops, I'm sure I could find one here on this list but I don't have time to do that just now https://search.worldcat.org/lists/1b9e2384-b013-48e0-b45b-911ee8d3ca3f And I think it would be impractical to expect to find a source who was a journalist or historian writing about the Anglican church who was not in some way connected to the church. If anyone writes about ordained women in the Anglican church it is usually because they are for or against and rarely are they "independent". LPascal (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Extra comment: I have just found a load of newspaper articles dating back to at least early 2000s discussing women bishops as a group in the Anglican Church of Australia, so I could add those into the sources or Further reading if anyone thinks they will be better as reliable, secondary, independent sources that support a freestanding list of women bishops in Australia. Here's just a few but I will wait for consensus before I add them to a list.https://www.news.com.au/national/anglicans-elect-first-woman-bishop/news-story/670c8cfb59e29dc6a251374541369c8b https://tma.melbourneanglican.org.au/2024/04/one-in-six-diocesan-assistant-bishops-a-woman-across-australia/ https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria-rebels-on-women-bishops-20031012-gdwiyd.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/women-bishops-a-step-closer-20030704-gdvzja.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-09-30/division-remains-after-way-cleared-for-female/685088 LPascal (talk) 06:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would support a merge as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Extra comment: I have just found a load of newspaper articles dating back to at least early 2000s discussing women bishops as a group in the Anglican Church of Australia, so I could add those into the sources or Further reading if anyone thinks they will be better as reliable, secondary, independent sources that support a freestanding list of women bishops in Australia. Here's just a few but I will wait for consensus before I add them to a list.https://www.news.com.au/national/anglicans-elect-first-woman-bishop/news-story/670c8cfb59e29dc6a251374541369c8b https://tma.melbourneanglican.org.au/2024/04/one-in-six-diocesan-assistant-bishops-a-woman-across-australia/ https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria-rebels-on-women-bishops-20031012-gdwiyd.html https://www.theage.com.au/national/women-bishops-a-step-closer-20030704-gdvzja.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-09-30/division-remains-after-way-cleared-for-female/685088 LPascal (talk) 06:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Extra comment: In case I am asked to find more sources on women bishops, I'm sure I could find one here on this list but I don't have time to do that just now https://search.worldcat.org/lists/1b9e2384-b013-48e0-b45b-911ee8d3ca3f And I think it would be impractical to expect to find a source who was a journalist or historian writing about the Anglican church who was not in some way connected to the church. If anyone writes about ordained women in the Anglican church it is usually because they are for or against and rarely are they "independent". LPascal (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Akshaya Alshi (fashion blogger)edit
- Akshaya Alshi (fashion blogger) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Repost of material previously deleted and salted at Akshaya Alshi * Pppery * it has begun... 19:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: While doing BEFORE, I found only promotional or sponsored articles WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Most of these articles repeated the same paragraph: “She thinks that quantity is not as important as the quality you deliver, and as an influencer, they do have to maintain high quality.” After seeing this article which clearly mentions “Brand Media.”, I somewhat confirmed that these promotional tone articles are sponsored. These promotional sponsored articles cannot establish notability and meet WP:GNG or any other criteria. GrabUp - Talk 02:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Per nom. This article fails WP:GNG with mostly unreliable sources and the ones that we could consider somewhat reliable does not show any significant coverage and achievements to satisfy notability about the subject and just has entries. Page also reads as WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 12:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: This article seems like an advertisement, not a real encyclopedia entry. The sources all seem to be promotional pieces, and there are better places for this kind of content. Waqar💬 17:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Eunkyong Choiedit
- Eunkyong Choi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable independent sources, nor meet WP:JUDGE. Special trial judges are mere employees of the court they sit on and are not Senate confirmed positions, similar to magistrate judges. The first source is a blog, the second is a press release, the third is Ballotpedia, and the last one is independent but lacks depth. Let'srun (talk) 22:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Haliey Welchedit
- Haliey Welch (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Latest viral meme, very WP:BIO1E. WP:TOOSOON to tell if this is lasting. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Draft: I guess, this is likely TOOSOON, but it's got decent enough sourcing. Time will tell if it's notable or not. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am amenable to this WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why did you copy my draft? I created this page first User:UtherSRG Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry confused you with User:BullDawg2021 Comintell (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why did you copy my draft? I created this page first User:UtherSRG Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I created the draft first Comintell (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. I had no idea that you also created a draft. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am amenable to this WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
or Draftifyper nom - WP:BIO1E, but possible WP:TOOSOON. KylieTastic (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)- I created this article first and it's already in drafts and was submitted to AfC. Edit history proves I created the draft first. It's current in draft space. user basically copied my draft Comintell (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- As Comintell did create first at the article is now a copy-paste of that draft Draftify no longer makes any sense. Also I agree if kept it should be as "Hawk Tuah" not Hailey/Haliey Welch, and as BullDawg2021 has accepted Comintell as the creator it would be best to delete this as move Draft:Hailey Welch to Hawk Tuah to keep creator attribution. KylieTastic (talk) 09:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Her name is Hailey Welch, and I created this page fitst and submitted through AfC. Draft:Hailey Welch
- The user paraphrased much of my draft, and changed the name because my draft already existed. THIS is incredibly disingenuous.
- To clarify. If you read my draft, I think you will see that Welch DOES qualify for notability, specifically because of sustained significant coverage over the last month, and her pivioting into a career and getting mentored by Shaq. I can't believe this UtherSRG basically copied my draft and moved it to mainspace with a spelling error in the name Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Super suspicious that this article says "Often misspelled as Hailey Welch" When All reliable sources cite her name to be Hailey Welch Comintell (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please go to her social medias. Her name is Haliey Welch. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Super suspicious that this article says "Often misspelled as Hailey Welch" When All reliable sources cite her name to be Hailey Welch Comintell (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rdirect or merge: Draft:Hailey_Welch: I created this page first. Technically this qualifies as speedy delete under WP:A10 Comintell (talk) 19:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen by the edit history on this article here: https://en.wikipedia.org?pojem=Haliey_Welch&action=history the page was created 13 minutes after I created the inital draft:
- https://en.wikipedia.org?pojem=Draft:Hailey_Welch&action=history Comintell (talk) 19:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. I had no idea you created a draft. Also, you spelt her name wrong. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where is your source for this? My article was much more detailed. You literally copied the same flow of facts as I did. What source spells her name this way. Every single reliable source says her name is Hailey. Sure I will assume good faith, but you shouldn't have been permitted to create this article Comintell (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please calm down. Her name is Haliey Welch. You are blowing this way out of proportion. I did not copy you. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where is your source for this? My article was much more detailed. You literally copied the same flow of facts as I did. What source spells her name this way. Every single reliable source says her name is Hailey. Sure I will assume good faith, but you shouldn't have been permitted to create this article Comintell (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. I had no idea you created a draft. Also, you spelt her name wrong. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Comintell and BullDawg2021: Both of you need to stop edit-warring on this article. jp×g🗯️ 06:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Absurd as it may seem, the phenomenon has started to gather coverage in reliable sources and move from mere Tiktok gag into a Let's Go Brandon-style cultural moment. Here's eg Slate, 7News, Rolling Stone. That said, this likely belongs under Hawk Tuah, not under Ms Welch's name. Jpatokal (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Keep per Jpatokal, or redirect to either Zach Bryan or Shaquille O'Neal. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my comment in the discussion Comintell (talk) 22:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reply - @Comintell:, come again? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Even if the meme is receiving media coverage, one single TikTok meme is hardly enough to provide notability for a person. WP:1E comes to mind as this person really has no other claims to notability. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Draftify: There is not only the fact that the nominator is correct, there are two "competing" drafts, both containing overlapping information. Since it is WP:TOOSOON both draft creators should work together in Draft space to create one draft which may become appropriate to accept when the subject meets WP:BIO which I am not persuaded thsat it does currently 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to that. BullDawg2021 (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, @BullDawg2021 I'm sorry that I got so protective and frustrated. Even assuming good faith, this was a frustrating experience for me and I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive or un collaborative. Comintell (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to that. BullDawg2021 (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment on the purely clerical issue here: there seem to be two pages here, Draft:Hailey Welch (created 2024-07-02T20:47:03) and Haliey Welch (created 2024-07-02T21:54:54). The overlap between both articles is fairly significant. I don't know to what extent one was copied from the other, but it seems like this may be worthy of later consideration in some other venue (assuming this is kept, otherwise there is no point). jp×g🗯️ 06:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Notable for making a joke on a street interview? This is the epitome of people notable for only one event. It's possible the event (the joke itself (Hawk Tuah)) is notable, though even that is too soon to tell imo. ato—mic 06:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder: There are two issues at play here, whether the "Hawk Tuah" event meets WP:GNG (based on the amount of reliable sources garnered, probably yes) and whether Ms. Welch herself is notable (probably no, it's hard to dispute that this is WP:BIO1E). If you're suggesting that this article be deleted entirely, please clarify your stance on both these points. Jpatokal (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIO1E Celjski Grad (talk) 09:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Creating an article for the notable controversy or Hawk Tuah event will solve this problem. Clearly, this is a problem of WP:TOOSOON for the subject, as well as WP:BIO1E. In such a situation, there is only one way out–having an article about the popular word, "Hawk Tuah", and the influencer (not yet meeting WP:ENT) will redirect to the article. We don't need to argue on an article and a existing draft; it isn't necessary here. Who can/will create the event's article, and save us this stress? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this. The person herself obviously falls under WP:TOOSOON (WP:1E), but an article about the phenomenon/trend is much more suitable. There's definitely enough coverage in WP:RS for this. I think a lot of people voting delete here are simply saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Many TikTok trends (no exception here) do receive lots of reliable media coverage and do meet WP:NEVENT/GNG. I hope editors start to realize this — it's not 2010 anymore. C F A 💬 01:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- 2010? Hilarious. "Every generation thinks they invented sex". I created the article on Pinky the Cat a viral video from 1992. Viriditas (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this. The person herself obviously falls under WP:TOOSOON (WP:1E), but an article about the phenomenon/trend is much more suitable. There's definitely enough coverage in WP:RS for this. I think a lot of people voting delete here are simply saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Many TikTok trends (no exception here) do receive lots of reliable media coverage and do meet WP:NEVENT/GNG. I hope editors start to realize this — it's not 2010 anymore. C F A 💬 01:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Comintell, why not create the event with this energy of dragging having your draft and a post mainspace move by another editor? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Of course it is notable. Publish the story, under EITHER title to eventually be personalized if she becomes more famous. Thank you, either way likely a Hawk Tuah page is indeed coming to Wikipedia, especially if this story expands further. Thanks again, can't wait to see the page that IS coming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.137.161 (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Article is well-cited, subject is notable. I get that memes are not the most encyclopedic topic, but this one definitely meets the criteria at WP:SIGCOV. 162 etc. (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is nothing notable about this subject. I watched the original video, the interview, and read the sources. There is literally nothing there. Her entire claim to fame consists of expressing her enthusiasm for fellatio. That's it, nothing else. I watched her entire interview that was published the other day, hoping for something, anything, that I could glom onto and say, that's something we should have an article about. There's nothing. She likes to use saliva as lubrication during oral sex. That's the entirety of her notability. Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, and she seems like a very sweet young lady, but how do we write a biography about this? We can't. Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The criteria for deciding notability is WP:GNG, not WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Jpatokal (talk) 21:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say I didn't like it. I said there's nothing encyclopedic about the subject. The entire article is a promotional advertising campaign for Welch by her management team who are trying to capitalize on a five second joke she told on social media. This has the longevity of a mayfly. She isn't notable for doing anything. Yes, the video went viral, but Welch was only one of a dozen random subjects interviewed by Tim & Dee TV, which itself isn't even notable. There's nothing here. Nobody will know who she is next week. Viriditas (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The articles written about her by The Guardian, Vanity Fair, People, Forbes, etc. etc., will certainly still be there next week. A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. 162 etc. (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Warhol was right: "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." Welch even alludes to that in the Guardian article. There's nothing here to write about. "Haliey Welch is a young woman who was randomly interviewed in the middle of the street and made a joke about fellatio. A video of her went viral, and she was soon approached by an agent who sought to capitalize upon her sexual-themed joke by making clothing with her name on it." That's what we're doing now? Viriditas (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- All of this coverage calls her 'Hawk Tuah Girl'. Unless she starts a show, becomes a musician, etc, and receives coverage unrelated to Hawk Tuah, this is WP:1E ato—mic 23:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Viriditas's prediction "Nobody will know who she is next week" (above) is commendably free of hedging, obscurantism, waffle. Let this AfD run on until next week, and then reconsider. The article will then live or die; either way, this AfD (with its miscellaneous expressions of indignation) will survive "for ever". -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I want a "like" button, @Hoary!!! 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The articles written about her by The Guardian, Vanity Fair, People, Forbes, etc. etc., will certainly still be there next week. A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. 162 etc. (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say I didn't like it. I said there's nothing encyclopedic about the subject. The entire article is a promotional advertising campaign for Welch by her management team who are trying to capitalize on a five second joke she told on social media. This has the longevity of a mayfly. She isn't notable for doing anything. Yes, the video went viral, but Welch was only one of a dozen random subjects interviewed by Tim & Dee TV, which itself isn't even notable. There's nothing here. Nobody will know who she is next week. Viriditas (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The criteria for deciding notability is WP:GNG, not WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Jpatokal (talk) 21:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. We've kind of got two subjects there: 1) Haliey Welch and 2) the Hawk Tuah meme. There's already a lot of good coverage and it's highly likely coverage of one or both will be lasting. There's something notable here. Similar memes and figures that come to mind are The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger and Jenn Sterger. Tiffany Gomes, aka the "Crazy Plane Lady", is still getting coverage a year after her initial internet meme moment. Surprised there isn't an article about her. Probably should be. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Too soon; for now, likely fleeting WP:BLP1E. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Viva Vanedit
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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find 1, rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling 2, none turn up. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
List of Canadian women government ministersedit
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Poorly maintained and deeply-context deficient list with significant maintainability problems. For starters, it just indiscriminately lists women in one common omnibus list, regardless of whether they served in a federal or provincial/territorial cabinet, which isn't particularly helpful -- if there's any value to this, it would be far better served by either splitting the list up into separate subsections for each individual government, or actually creating full standalone spinoff lists for each individual government, for clarity of context, because federal and provincial/territorial cabinets are different beasts.
For another thing, it's actually missing far more names than it's including -- a quick WP:AWB comparison between this list and ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Women government ministers of Canada found 326 women in the category who are not in this list, compared to just 135 women who are in both places.
This list hasn't been updated with any new names since 2017, so no woman who joined a Canadian government cabinet in the past seven years has ever been added here at all, and even in 2017 it already wasn't particularly complete, because the creator basically aimed for at-the-time comprehensiveness only for the federal and Ontario cabinets, and bunked off nearly the entire rest of the country.
In other words, this list is deeply incomplete, and isn't organized in a way that would actually be helpful or valuable to a reader -- and since we already have ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Women government ministers of Canada as it is, it's not entirely clear that it would be worth the time investment to actually fix this list. I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody actually is willing to put in that time, but it's not serving readers to hold onto a deeply incomplete and poorly organized version that isn't actually being repaired. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Support - also, is the name correct? Woman is not an adjective. I suppose it could be a noun phrase - but where's the hyphenation? Nfitz (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Katlego Malebaneedit
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No notability for this child sportsperson, lack of sources that are significant and secondary. Geschichte (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The subject seems like a young athlete, and there just isn't enough independent information about them yet. Waqar💬 18:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: This subject does not have the significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG or WP:YOUNGATH. Quite possibly WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2024 Caribbean Queen's Tournamentedit
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The only sources that cover this friendly football tournament are run-of-the-mill announcements that the tournament will occur and reporting of the results. This tournament meets neither WP:NEVENT nor WP:GNG. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. There is some coverage that is more than run of the mill. The topic may move in the direction of notability for the tournament series, not for the editions. The proposed is an annual edition, however, and it is early for such historic perspective. So delete. gidonb (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not enough significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The sources are just basic announcements, and it's too early to say if the tournament itself will be historically significant. Waqar💬 18:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Eve Vorleyedit
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BLP1E. Football club directors are not inherently notable and by coverage this is a pure BLP1E as the appointment of a porn/glamour performer caused some noise at the time. Beyond that, nothing. Not by her real name or alias Spartaz Humbug! 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a former glamour model, pornographic actress, nor film director. She being an English football club director is considered to be WP:ONEEVENT. — YoungForever(talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: where she is mentioned; merge what's necessary. Not opposed to keep, given existing coverage -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: Subject lacks the needed sustained coverage to meet the WP:GNG and does not meet WP:CREATIVE. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Poppy Morganedit
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How has this survived the raised expectations around porn performers. The sourcing is well below GNG for a BLP. Spartaz Humbug! 12:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: a few years ago, a group of users has managed to create a consensus that states that pornographic entertainers are basically not notable for what they do (their awards do not count, the coverage from the industry does not count, etc.). OK. But this actress might meet GNG: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/hull-porn-star-poppy-morgan-2877489 ; https://www.anorak.co.uk/377943/celebrities/hull-mps-want-page-3-banned-but-the-official-brochure-says-poppy-morgan-is-part-of-the-city-culture.html ; https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2006/11/23/porn-star-to-teach-dancers/ as these sources mention that her notability as porn star exists outside WP and outside the industry. At least, that's how I see things. And I consider her notable enough to have a page. If any ATD exists, feel free to redirect. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for proving my point with non reliable sources Spartaz Humbug! 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thank you for providing a link showing these sources are non-reliable according to a clear consensus. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for proving my point with non reliable sources Spartaz Humbug! 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
List of Women's Premier League (cricket) captainsedit
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Unnecessary WP:CFORK, and violates WP:NOTDATABASE as almost the entire content of the article is just a copy of the ESPNCricinfo source 3. Just because the men's IPL has this article (which I also don't necessarily agree with), that doesn't mean this article meets WP:NLIST, as I don't see significant coverage about these captains grouped together in news sources (i.e. not just copies of the table). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per nom. The page does not meet notability guidelines WP:FAILN and WP:NLIST. RangersRus (talk) 12:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: For full transparency, I'm just noting that I mentioned this list was nominated for deletion at the featured list nomination here. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There are other pages for list of captains as well; see Category:Lists of cricket captains. They have the same sort of sources as well; what difference does it make? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of these are captains of teams, rather than captains at tournaments (apart from BPL and IPL, neither of which seem notable either). Why would we need a list of every captain ever at one competition? Also, WP:OSE applies to this rationale. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- How does CFORK applies here? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of these are captains of teams, rather than captains at tournaments (apart from BPL and IPL, neither of which seem notable either). Why would we need a list of every captain ever at one competition? Also, WP:OSE applies to this rationale. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Lottie Tomlinsonedit
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I believe this person fails WP:BIO, only sources I could find are passing mentions related to her more famous brother Louis Tomlinson or promotional tabloid stuff. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Very much a WP:NOTINHERITED case here. Nate • (chatter) 23:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a model nor makeup artist. Also, WP:NINI. — YoungForever(talk) 15:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I haven't seen any reliable sources that discuss her career as a model or makeup artist in detail. Maybe this information could be added to her brother's article, but it doesn't seem like enough for a whole separate page on Wikipedia. Waqar💬 18:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I mean the content is not super important stuff like articles about footballers who play a few games in a top league, but there's a *lot* of news coverage about her out there.--Milowent • hasspoken 14:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Nonhlanhla Joyeedit
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WP:BLP of a social entrepreneur, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for entrepreneurs. The attempted notability claim here, that she founded an organization, would be fine if the article were reliably sourced to WP:GNG-worthy coverage about her in real media of record, but this as written is referenced far, far too heavily to primary source content self-published by organizations she's directly affiliated with, and shows very little evidence of third-party coverage about her in independent GNG-worthy sources. Bearcat (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- weak delete: Should be notable, but there just isn't much coverage... A PBS interview here 4 and a brief mention here in a French article 5. Oaktree b (talk) 00:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Supreet Bediedit
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Article refunded after soft deletion, but still fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. The vast majority of sources are tabloid coverage, which doesn't count as WP:SIGCOV under GNG. Other sources include primary sources like the subject's own book or WP:INTERVIEWS, or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails all criteria WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:BLP. No WP:SIGCOV. Sources are poor to unreliable WP:NEWSORGINDIA. RangersRus (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Rebecca Spindleredit
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Marked for notability concerns in 2014. Only 2 articles link to this: Bush Heritage Australia and List of people named Rebecca. She has written a fair few articles but don't think she meets WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. LibStar (talk) 04:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep and keep improving. Article needs improvement but subject easily meets WP:BASIC and likely WP:GNG. Straight off the bat, Wikipedia Library gives you this 2012 Australian Women's Weekly feature article on Rebecca Spindler and her influence as a zoologist ("catalyst for change" in Australia and abroad). Even if we don't count the sponsored Guardian article recognising Spindler as one of 30 Australians making their mark, she is often cited in the Australian media as an expert on animal-related issues. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- We're considering gossip rags and sponsored articles as reliable sources now? TarnishedPathtalk 10:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- The AWW has not been listed as an unreliable source and the only refs to it I can find on WP as a source say that it IS a reliable source. Calling it "gossip rag" sounds borderline sexist as it is a magazine predominantly for women.LPascal (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- We're considering gossip rags and sponsored articles as reliable sources now? TarnishedPathtalk 10:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Keep the article and keep improving. I think this person also meets criteria for Notability (Acadmics)https://en.wikipedia.org?pojem=Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) She has had an impact in her field and is highly cited and published. She meets criteria 7 The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic. Here's some sources showing her impact and reliable secondary sources showing she is sought after expert in her field. I could find more sources about her but don't have time right now.https://www.nespthreatenedspecies.edu.au/people/rebecca-spindler
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/tag/rebecca-spindler/ https://theconversation.com/profiles/rebecca-spindler-1249/articles CSIRO publishing (Aus government's leading science research organisation) https://ebooks.publish.csiro.au/author/Spindler%2CRebecca LPascal (talk) 07:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Khwezi Khozaedit
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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I looked for some reliable sources about this player, but couldn't find much beyond participation lists. Seems like it might be better placed elsewhere. Waqar💬 17:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Wang Qingyunedit
- Wang Qingyun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, not eligible for a Soft Deletion.
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Veronika Kropotinaedit
- Veronika Kropotina (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Aimee Knightedit
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Hi, I’ve nominated this page for deletion as I’m not sure whether they are relevant enough to warrant an entire wikipedia page, politicians who’ve stood for election and lost with less than 2% of the vote don’t generally get Wikipedia pages, especially when they’ve done nothing of much note after the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxisediting (talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, not meeting the WP:NPOL criteria only means that there's no inherent notability, not that the subject is not notable. There seems to be enough significant coverage to meet WP:NBIO/WP:GNG. --AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, agree with the above. Fundamentally well covered enough to meet criteria, and little reason to remove well enough sourced information. Flatthew (talk) 14:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, Knight is much more than a failed election candidate as is attested to by the numerous citations to other events covered in the article. JezGrove (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete already been deleted twice under a different title, and the article contains massive WP:BLP concerns. SportingFlyer T·C 21:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- A lot of the sources in the article are newer than the previous AfDs, I don't really see the relevance of them. AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm just struggling to figure out why she's notable. She clearly doesn't qualify for NPOL, and her other "event" was being fired. Most of the sources are either local papers or self-published. The article reads like WP:NPF needs to be properly applied as well. I'm struggling to see why this should be kept. SportingFlyer T·C 13:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- A lot of the sources in the article are newer than the previous AfDs, I don't really see the relevance of them. AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, Knight is an important figure in the recent history and controversies of Green Party of England and Wales as the article shows - Knight was not just a failed politician but someone whose behaviour and actions have had ramifications across the political spectrum. Zeno27 (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Can an admin delete this comment and block this person for using such a language! FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The only "problem" with the redaction is that it proved my point that there are massive WP:NPF concerns with this article, which is about a non-public figure. SportingFlyer T·C 13:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While there is a numerical consensus to Keep, they are weak Keeps with no reference to policy or sources. Also most participants have, what I consider, low edit counts so I'm not sure how familiar they are with the norms of AFD discussions. I'd just like to relist and hopefully hear how this subject meets Wikipedia's standards of notability and, specifically, what reliable independent sources provide SIGCOV.
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- Just noting that there has been offwiki canvassing related to this AfD: 6, and I suspect that several of the infrequently active accounts voting in this discussion are likely the result of it. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- looking to nom (from someone with two edits) and User:Aquila ka Hecate comment, I think there is more to consider when evaluating this nom FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are MULTIPLE reliable sources about the subject cited on the page, notability is obviously established, keep. Pyraminxsolver (talk) 04:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Very interesting subject, but I'm not seeing the consistent, in-depth news coverage that would be required for a Wikipedia page. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 23:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep: although not a notable as a politician, there is a substantial coverage from reliable sources that Checks all the boxes of WP:GNGcomment there is coverage but the page is mostly about David Challenor, Knight's father, and gives undue weight to Challenor. If the article is kept, can someone fix this problem please and create a separate article for David Challenor (currently a redirect) because he actually deserves one with all of the coverage. I am really concerned about why this article was first created and I can’t assume good faith looking to keep votes above. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Very difficult case. She's borderline notable, but mostly for other people's wrong-doing and the way it affected her. I don't think it's realistic to have an article on this subject that adheres to the spirit of WP:BLP while also respecting WP:WEIGHT. That is, when the notability claim isn't extremely sound to begin with, and the source of that notability would demand a largely negative article chiefly related to the misdeeds of other people, we arrive at an exceptional scenario. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It would do this website injustice NOT to include a trans rights activist covered by the likes of The Guardian and BBC News. Content for women's rights, trans, and other activists is already lacking here as it is. We all must do better and try to improve it by not deleting swathes of content. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-45373833 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/06/aimee-challenor-theresa-may-lgbt-inequality-transgender-green-party Historyexpert2
Ildikó von Habsburgedit
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Ildikó von Habsburg is not notable. WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:BLPFAMILY - relationships do not confer notability and they are not notable as an equestrian. D1551D3N7 (talk) 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Just like for this person's sister, it's not helpful just state that this article relies on inherited notability if it is sourced. Are Vanity Fair, Index, and NLC all insufficient to establish notability? Cortador (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Who is this person? Tell me who this 22 year old is without mentioning her grandfather or family history. I could break down the sources but I did that on the other AfD, I simply don't believe they pass WP:GNG. If you believe they do please say why.
- There is a tendency in the royal side of Wikipedia to create an article for every single member of every family and it is pure cruft of no encyclopedic significance. D1551D3N7 (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is sourced, the onus is on you to show that the subject still isn't notable, not the other way around. "The sources are insufficient" isn't even the argument you used for the nomination. Cortador (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- The argument in the nomination explains why the sources are insufficient. D1551D3N7 (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is sourced, the onus is on you to show that the subject still isn't notable, not the other way around. "The sources are insufficient" isn't even the argument you used for the nomination. Cortador (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete: The Vanity Fair article is alright, but there isn't really anything outside of that. The other articles cited are all primarily about the family, which don't count towards notability per WP:INHERIT. For example, this index.hu source (cited in the article) roughly translates to "this is how the great-grandchildren of the last Hungarian king, Zsófia and Ildikó Habsburg, live." The article is based on the fact that they are the great-grandchildren of the king. It's possible this could be redirected somewhere but I can't find a suitable target; ping me if you find one. C F A 💬 01:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Andrea Diewaldedit
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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I removed the PROD as I am concerned with the BEFORE being conducted by the nom. Let'srun (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Alexandra Kunováedit
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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. There are two interlanguage Wikipedia in German and Japanese, but neither of them provide significant coverage in reliable sources. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia in 2009, possibly due to BLP concerns. My Google came up with other women of the same name than this figure skater, failing WP:V too. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Doesn't the win at the Slovak Figure Skating Championships qualify the subject for a WP:NSKATE pass? That being said, the subject may still not meet WP:GNG, but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was told over and over that WP:NSKATE is merely a guideline, and in this case, one national gold medal didn't lead to any sort of notability or significant coverage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. However, the subject meets that guideline so why would you cite it in your nomination statement as a reason to delete the article? Let'srun (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was told over and over that WP:NSKATE is merely a guideline, and in this case, one national gold medal didn't lead to any sort of notability or significant coverage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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Isha Malviyaedit
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The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Single significant role in Udaariyaan. Does not meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. Editingmylove (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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